Such a great discussion. Abby you brought up so many incredibly important points. As educators work within a system that often “shames” and puts “shoulds” on them, this is a piece of the puzzle we need to consider in our work with them. Sometimes we are able to do systemic work and sometimes our work is limited to supporting an individual person. I do believe that we can often work with systems and structures in place and add layers that move us towards a broader perspective of understanding. This is something we will continue to explore.